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Post Info TOPIC: Laos Faces Rail Loan Squeeze (ຂໍອະໄພທີ່ບໍ່ມີລາວເວີຊັ້ນ)
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Laos Faces Rail Loan Squeeze (ຂໍອະໄພທີ່ບໍ່ມີລາວເວີຊັ້ນ)


Vientiane will have to pay massive interest on Chinese loans for an
ambitious rail project.

RFA 02 Dec 2012

The proposed railway will connect China's Yunnan province to the Lao
capital Vientiane.

Laos may have to pay a whopping U.S. $3 billion in interest payment
for a U.S. $7 billion loan it will obtain from China to build an
ambitious Laos-China high-speed railway project, according to an
official of the Lao Ministry of Finance.

The interest fee of nearly half the principal sum could result in Laos
having to divert its precious share of revenue from Chinese-owned gold
and bauxite mining operations to repay the massive loan, the official
said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

He calculated the interest payment to be around U.S. $3.33 billion,
basing it on a two percent compounded interest rate to be imposed on
the 30-year loan from Exim Bank of China.

At least nine legislators in one party communist state Laos have
expressed opposition to the project, concerned that the Chinese loans
could saddle the resource-starved country with financial problems and
tighten Beijing grip on Laos, sources have said.

The Lao parliament gave the go-ahead for the estimated 420 kilometer
(261 mile) rail project in October. Laos has decided to assume sole
ownership of the project after a Chinese construction company pulled
out of the venture.

The rail project will connect the Lao capital Vientiane to the
country's Luang Namtha province along the border with China, with the
network linked further to a line from Kunming, the capital of China's
Yunnan province.

'Break-even point'

According to the finance ministry official, a study undertaken by
China showed that it should take Laos 38 years  to reach a "break-even
point" for the project—a point when it can begin expecting to make
money from the venture provided there are no hitches.

The official said that since Laos must pay back the entire loan with
interest within 30 years, it is very likely that it will have to use
proceeds from the Chinese-owned Sepone gold mine, and the Champassak
bauxite mine, believed to be the largest in Asia, to make the
repayments.

Laos and China are currently discussing the terms of the loan and
officials say that the two sides still have considerable number of
issues to be addressed.

Laos has also inked an agreement to build a U.S.$5 billion railway
connecting Thailand and Vietnam. A Malaysian company, Giant
Consolidated Ltd., was in early November awarded a contract to
construct and operate the 220 kilometer (140 mile) railway from
Savannakhet, on Laos’s southwestern border with Thailand, to the Lao
Bao border gate with Vietnam in the east.

Approval for the Laos-China rail project was made after the Lao
National Assembly concluded that it is essential for "national
development at a time when economic integration is viewed as the
future of the region," the Vientiane Times reported last month.

The Chinese construction company had pulled out of the project
"because they felt it would not be profitable enough," it said.  "The
railway is now set to go ahead without any other direct stakeholders."

More foreign investment

Lao Deputy Prime Minister Somsavat Lengsavad had said the project
would attract more foreign investment and boost economic growth.

Considering the mountainous nature of northern Laos, the railway will
require 76 tunnels and 154 bridges, including two bridges across the
Mekong River, according to the Vientiane Times report.

The rail project will likely use more workers from China than those
from Laos, an official from the Lao Labor Ministry said.

“That’s the way it’s going to be as there’s not enough Lao labor. But
details will have to be ironed out,” the official said.

He said that the exact number of workers needed for the project is not
yet known, and the building contractor has not yet been selected
either.

Before the project starts, according to the official, the government
will have Lao workers trained to work with their Chinese counterparts.

“We already have a plan for training laborers and technicians right
here in Laos,” he said.

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That's just a first official number. It could become higher over time. The Chinese are real master-minded people, especailly in business. No Lao engineers, a few Lao labors but tons of Chinese engineers and labors who will come to Laos. It's so crazy! It's so insane! Laos will ruin itself to pay back the loan. I can understand that Laos may need the Sayabouly dam, but not this damned train. The government should take a pause and rethink a bit longer before committing.



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ໝາຍຄວາມວ່າທັງຕົ້ນທັງດອກເປັນເງິນ 10 ພັນລ້ານໂດລາ ແລະເພິ່ນຈະເອົາບໍ່ຄໍາແລະບໍ່ບອກໄຊໃຊ້ແທນ ແມ່ນບໍ?

ກະຖືວ່າຄຸ້ມຄ່າຢູ່ດອກຊັ້ນນະ.



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bor yark sang sa e yung, yarn tid ta nee ka pai tai na beung hee kouay poon ti.

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It's not too late !

Laos needs to cancel this project !

ຊິຕິດໜີ້ຫຼາຍໂພດ...


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Anonymous wrote:

ໝາຍຄວາມວ່າທັງຕົ້ນທັງດອກເປັນເງິນ 10 ພັນລ້ານໂດລາ ແລະເພິ່ນຈະເອົາບໍ່ຄໍາແລະບໍ່ບອກໄຊໃຊ້ແທນ ແມ່ນບໍ?

ກະຖືວ່າຄຸ້ມຄ່າຢູ່ດອກຊັ້ນນະ.


         ສິ້້ໄຊ້ເອົາ. ບໍ່ຍາກ.



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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

ໝາຍຄວາມວ່າທັງຕົ້ນທັງດອກເປັນເງິນ 10 ພັນລ້ານໂດລາ ແລະເພິ່ນຈະເອົາບໍ່ຄໍາແລະບໍ່ບອກໄຊໃຊ້ແທນ ແມ່ນບໍ?

ກະຖືວ່າຄຸ້ມຄ່າຢູ່ດອກຊັ້ນນະ.


         ສິ້້ໄຊ້ເອົາ. ບໍ່ຍາກ.


     ແມ່ນບໍ່ມືເງີນໄຊ້....ໃຫ້ສີ້ໄຊ້ເອົາພາລູກພາຫລານໄປຫຸ້ມ

   ສີ້້໊້໊ຈີນໄຊ້ໝີ້. ເປັນແນວຄິດສະຫລາດສ່ອງໃສ.



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Anonymous wrote:

ໝາຍຄວາມວ່າທັງຕົ້ນທັງດອກເປັນເງິນ 10 ພັນລ້ານໂດລາ ແລະເພິ່ນຈະເອົາບໍ່ຄໍາແລະບໍ່ບອກໄຊໃຊ້ແທນ ແມ່ນບໍ?

ກະຖືວ່າຄຸ້ມຄ່າຢູ່ດອກຊັ້ນນະ.


 ມັນບໍ່ງ່າຍຄືດັ່ງທີ່ຄິດເດີພີ່ນ້ອງເອີຍ, ອັນນັ້ນມັນເປັນພຽງຄຳເວົ້າທີ່ຟັງມ່ວນ ນີ້ມນວນຊື່ໆ ໃນເວລາປະຕິບັດ ການຂຸດຄົ້ນເຮົາສາມາດກວດກາຄວບຄຸມໄດ້

ຢ່າງຮັດກຸມບໍ່?, ຖ້າເກີດວ່າຄຸມບໍ່ໄດ້ແ່ກໍ່ໝົດໄປແລ້ວ ຈີນບອກວ່າຍັງບໍ່ທັນຄົບມູນຄ່າໜີ້ເທື່ອ ຊິເຮັດແນວໃດລະ?, ເຮົາກໍ່ຕ້ອງໄດ້ເອົາບໍ່ແຫ່ງໃໝ່ໃຫ້ເຂົາອີກ

ຈົນກວ່າຈີນຊິບອກວ່າພໍພຸ້ນແລ້ວ. ແຕ່ປະຈຸບັນນີ້ບໍ່ແມ່ນກໍລະນີໃຊ້ໜີ້, ການຂຸດຄົ້ນແຮ່ ລາວກໍ່ຍັງເປັນຝ່າຍເສຍປຽບຢູ່ແລ້ວ ເຊັ່ນຕົວຢ່າງ ບໍ່ພອຍ ຢູ່ເມືອງ

ຫ້ວຍຊາຍ, ບໍ່ຖ່ານຫີນຢູ່ເມືອງວຽງພູຄາ ຈົນໝົດ ລາວໄດ້ຫຍັງ, ແລະ ກໍ່ບໍ່ອື່ນໆ ອີກ ທ່ານຜູ້ອ່ານກໍ່ຄົງຈະເຫັນພາບແລ້ວ




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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

ໝາຍຄວາມວ່າທັງຕົ້ນທັງດອກເປັນເງິນ 10 ພັນລ້ານໂດລາ ແລະເພິ່ນຈະເອົາບໍ່ຄໍາແລະບໍ່ບອກໄຊໃຊ້ແທນ ແມ່ນບໍ?

ກະຖືວ່າຄຸ້ມຄ່າຢູ່ດອກຊັ້ນນະ.


         ສິ້້ໄຊ້ເອົາ. ບໍ່ຍາກ.


     ແມ່ນບໍ່ມືເງີນໄຊ້....ໃຫ້ສີ້ໄຊ້ເອົາພາລູກພາຫລານໄປຫຸ້ມ

   ສີ້້໊້໊ຈີນໄຊ້ໝີ້. ເປັນແນວຄິດສະຫລາດສ່ອງໃສ.


 ໂຕນີ້ ຫົວກ໊າກກກກກກກກກbiggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrin



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ເພິ່ນຈະເອົາຄ້ຳປະກັນ



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all the railway around the world are heavily subsidy by government for maintenance and operating cost . keep that in mind will not just only be construction cost alone .disbelief



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ขอออกความคิดเห็นแนเด้อ 

เป็นหยังลาวคือบ่แขุดบ่แร่ บ่อทอง ต่างๆเอง 

แล้วนำเงินที่ได้ ไปซือไปสร้างรถไฟฟ้า 

เพราะนอกจากจะได้รถไฟฟ้าแล้ว หยังได้บริษัทของคนลาวเอง ที่จะดำเนินงานการขุดบ่อแร่ต่างๆภายในประเทศ

จากที่ฟังๆเบิ่ง รถไฟฟ้ามีมูลค่าเป็นแสนๆล้านบาท ถ้าบ้อแร่ต่างๆสามารถสร้างรายได้ขนาดนั้น ถ้าลาวตั้งบริษัทขึ้นมาขุดเอง บริษัทนั้นจะถือว่าเป็นบริษัทที่ใหญ่หลาย

บริษัทที่มีรายได้ปานนั้น นอกจากจุขุดบ่อแร่ในประเทศเจ้าบองแล้ว อนาคตยังมีความสามารถไปขุดบ่อแร่ในต่างประเทศได้แน่นอน 

 



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I would love to have 2% interest on my mortgage.  Would love to see the actual number calculation in the original article but here is what I have when I put the number in from an online calculator.

 

Loan Repayment Calculator

This free loan calculator allows you to calculate and break down monthly repayment figures for a secured or unsecured loan. Choose the loan amount, the annual interest rate (percentage), the number of years and any initial deposits or end-of-term balloon payments.

Enter your loan repayment details...

Currency:               Dollar ($)    Euro (€)    Pound (£)    Other    Loan amount:
Interest rate (APR): % 
Months: 
Initial deposit?
Balloon payment at end?

 

Calculation Results

The calculation results for the loan calculator appear below. Please note that interest is calculated on a monthly basis.


Initial deposit:
$0.00
Loan payments:
$9,314,410,711.76
Balloon payment at end:
$0.00
Total payable:
$9,314,410,711.76
360 monthly payments of:
$25,873,363.09
Total interest:
$2,314,410,711.76

Loan amount: $7,000,000,000.00
Interest Rate: 2%
 Lao government should put revenue projection and other benefit out there so Lao people can see true benefit.  If Laos can manage to pay $26M per month then they are ok because the technological transfer benefit is highly valueable and extremely hard to calculate.  This is very high tech stuff were are taking about  and building 420 km for under $10B is still pretty cheap considering the track has to go over so many rivers and through so many mountains.


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that it!s not much, need more a lot more for laos.

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our children will pay back if can't be done in 30 years, Yeah it is not too late to cancel
but you know, Laos is afraid of losing face.


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You know why Lao government put Lao people in this no winning situation because some interest and profit will be kicked back to some corrupted high ranking officers who had been bribery by the Chinese to sign the stupid contract with the Chinese. Well, those corrupted government officers got their millions ( US dollars) from the Chinese . Lao people has been sold out. It is sad again that young Lao people will pay the debt for many generation to come God , wood and other natural resource  will be accepted to pay back  the loan by the Chinese and Vietnamese and the Russian. No free lunch ,If Lao government don't have money to pay back , the Chinese government will immigrant 5 or 10 million Chinese to settle in Laos . The Vietnamese government will do the same thing perhaps 2or 4 millions Vietnamese to immigrant legally to settle in Laos as well. Soon La people will be the minority of our country and also be second class citizen in order to get job Laotian must speak Chinese and Vietnamese. That is the fact.



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Education for the next generation, think long way to go folk.

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noting free in this world folk.

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cheerball wrote:

our children will pay back if can't be done in 30 years, Yeah it is not too late to cancel
but you know, Laos is afraid of losing face.


 No, not losing face, afraid on losing bebefit



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noting lost only win, if you build the country. let go for it, made laos look beautiful as china.

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zack wrote:

noting lost only win, if you build the country. let go for it, made laos look beautiful as china.


 Laos beautiful like China???????????? hahahahahahaha, you look too much at the pics of the Chinese cities' propaganda. China is one of the most crowded and polluted countries on the planet. NO, Laos should NOT become like China. China has NO respect for ecosystems nor for human right of the Tibet people.



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wish country look beautiful, just do with them, china vietnam burma banladest indai thai cambodai


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