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konlaoderm · Senior Member

Xayaburi vote to test Mekong friendships

Date: Dec 7, 2011

I am 100% for this project.

Vietnam and Cambodia, they simply are jealous (ອິດສາ).

Date: Dec 7, 2011

I'm a 10000% lao, But I'm against project because you just can't build the Dam that block the flow of the Mekong River that millions of Downstream people are depending on it. And Since when lao PDR learn how to be a greedy like Chinese ?????? We have a plenty of small rivers all over the places why not do it.................

Date: Dec 7, 2011

Mother nature gives balance to allow water flow along Mekong river for millions of years.

Now people want to counter balance and Mother nature will shift its balance to other ways round and man-made natural shift will result in unexpected consequence and disaster will be prevailed...flood, drought, ecological system....Livelihood of people in the upstream and downstream will be changed.

I am a Laotian, I would go ahead with the project if rigorous impact assessments are studied and enough counter measure plans and responsibility are guaranteed...

Date: Dec 8, 2011

Millions, millions $ had already spent to study the project. There are negatives and positives, no question about that. The decision had already been made (no matter what) that the dam will be built, why delay, delay or postpone?

Go Laos Go ! No more delay!

Laos has got to do what Laos needs to do.

When Laos had no rice in the basket, International Rivers or any other countries or organizations does not give the damn thing about it.

Date: Dec 8, 2011

YOU ARE VERY WRONG MY FRIEND

Date: Dec 8, 2011

Anonymous wrote:
I am 100% for this project.
Vietnam and Cambodia, they simply are jealous (ອິດສາ).

YOU ARE VERY WRONG

Date: Dec 8, 2011

Anonymous wrote:

Date: Dec 8, 2011

Opposing countries (Vietnam and Cambodia), they need to worry about when next Tropical Storm or Typhoon will arrive.

Unusual heavy rainfall or heavy drought in region each year is major problems that no one can predict. Not a result of the dams constructed in any rivers.

Date: Dec 8, 2011

I cheer and support this project wholeheartedly. It is OUR COUNTRY'S ECONOMIC INTEREST.

→Each country has different needs and wanted. Why should we listen to Cambodia and Vietnam? For one thing, Xayaburi is within our territory intergrity or within our jurisdiction.It is our sovereignty.Don't forget that Xayaburi is not Danang or Siamriep.

By postponing this project, you let money which can be generated from kinetic energy flying away.

☼If we do not build this dam, will Vietnam and Cambodia sell rice to us with discount price or 3/5 of the retail price? I do not think so. They have their own greed. They do not want Laos to be stronger and richer than them.

What a morrally corrupted!!!!!

☼If China can do it, why not Laos? Learn how to take care Lao people first. Let them balk.

→In this case, our ECONOMIC INTEREST should override freindship. I hope to see our president to take a DECISIVE ACTION.

♫Mr. Choumaly, show us if Laos is TRUELY an INDEPENDENT COUNTRY.

From Samakhom Laonork, Fresno, California

Chairman, Laohaklao1954

Date: Dec 8, 2011

Anonymous wrote:
I cheer and support this project wholeheartedly. It is OUR COUNTRY'S ECONOMIC INTEREST.
→Each country has different needs and wanted. Why should we listen to Cambodia and Vietnam? For one thing, Xayaburi is within our territory intergrity or within our jurisdiction.It is our sovereignty.Don't forget that Xayaburi is not Danang or Siamriep.
By postponing this project, you let money which can be generated from kinetic energy flying away.
☼If we do not build this dam, will Vietnam and Cambodia sell rice to us with discount price or 3/5 of the retail price? I do not think so. They have their own greed. They do not want Laos to be stronger and richer than them.
What a morrally corrupted!!!!!

☼If China can do it, why not Laos? Learn how to take care Lao people first. Let them balk.
→In this case, our ECONOMIC INTEREST should override freindship. I hope to see our president to take a DECISIVE ACTION.

♫Mr. Choumaly, show us if Laos is TRUELY an INDEPENDENT COUNTRY.

From Samakhom Laonork, Fresno, California
Chairman, Laohaklao1954

YES MAN!! LET BUILT IT FOR THE SAKE OF OUR BELOVED COUNTRY!! WE LOVE LAOS FOREVER. MAKE US EVEN MORE PROUDLY TO BE KHON LAO DESPITE WE'RE NOT LIVING INSIDE LAOS!!! FROM. WE, LAO NORK U.K.

sopheaktr · Newbie

Being a Cambodian, I wish LOAS PDR will become a VERY RICH
country in this region from this Xayaburi dam ,.... bleh

Date: Dec 8, 2011

You are a damn good Cambodian then, not a dumb one.

Date: Dec 8, 2011

Damn the DAM !!

Another delay, that sucks furious furious furious

Date: Dec 8, 2011

They '' the Vietnamese, Thais and Cambodian can protest all they want. But none of these MRC's mebers have no veto power. And Laos will have final say, Although considerable diplomatic presure can be exerted on it... I understand their concern, But the Dam project is situated within our territory.

Date: Dec 9, 2011

Exactly, they(the protesters and the opposing countries) can go sit in the corner and cry until they eyes bleeding. The dam will be built, no matter what. It's time for us Laos to tell them:"Laos is tired of being push around.It's in our territory.We will start the construction in our choosing time" Period !!!

Date: Dec 9, 2011

It's ok to build more. But make sure Lao people can use very very cheap electricity bill so they can use electric appliances, less wood burning, save the forests, and clean environment...Who ever build dam make sure they build lines to every village in Laos. And don't forget to raise more fish... biggrin

Date: Dec 9, 2011

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Leave Laos alone.

☼Because of the dispute islands of Paracels and Spratly , to protect Vietnam's economic interest Vietnam is willing to go to war against a giant panda at all cost.

→Should Laos, a tiny landlocked country, have an economic interest TOO?

→Can Laos choose her own path instead of having this monkey(Vietnam) on our back all time?

☼Base on David Ricardo's theory of COMPARATIVE ADVANTAGE and due to Laos has abondance KINETIC ENERGY which Laos can use to produce electricity at the lowest marginal cost (MC) why we can not build this

dam? Why Thailand, Cambodia, or Vietnam should have a FINAL SAY for Lao

people?

☼Buddha God gave Lao people a steep mountains and a strong current running water, which is suitable to produce CHEAP ECLECTRICITY, if

we don't use it as God commands Lao people will remain to be poor.

Do what is RIGHT and the BEST for our country!!!!!

Nocksalika....Laohaklao1954

Date: Dec 9, 2011

we have suffered from many tragedies and war after war for centuries. we just have a real freedom for all LAO people for the past 30years ago. we want to built our country to be more prosperous nation for our next generation. we did not have any chance for developing our country in the past. and now in this 21th century.. you all want to say NO what we really want a YES again??? LEAVE OUR MOTHER LAOS ALONE............. PLEASE...................LET US ALONE....................!!!!

sopheaktr · Newbie

Yes, we will leave you alone LAOS, if you withdraw your
membership from Mekong countries...!

Date: Dec 9, 2011

sopheaktr wrote:
Yes, we will leave you alone LAOS, if you withdraw your
membership from Mekong countries...!

WHAT? WHAT YOU DO THINK WHO YOU ARE? A LITTLE BOY WITH A SMALL BRAIN OF A PEAS YEAH!!!

Date: Dec 9, 2011

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Date: Dec 9, 2011

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I cheer and support this project wholeheartedly. It is OUR COUNTRY'S ECONOMIC INTEREST.
→Each country has different needs and wanted. Why should we listen to Cambodia and Vietnam? For one thing, Xayaburi is within our territory intergrity or within our jurisdiction.It is our sovereignty.Don't forget that Xayaburi is not Danang or Siamriep.
By postponing this project, you let money which can be generated from kinetic energy flying away.
☼If we do not build this dam, will Vietnam and Cambodia sell rice to us with discount price or 3/5 of the retail price? I do not think so. They have their own greed. They do not want Laos to be stronger and richer than them.
What a morrally corrupted!!!!!

☼If China can do it, why not Laos? Learn how to take care Lao people first. Let them balk.
→In this case, our ECONOMIC INTEREST should override freindship. I hope to see our president to take a DECISIVE ACTION.

♫Mr. Choumaly, show us if Laos is TRUELY an INDEPENDENT COUNTRY.

From Samakhom Laonork, Fresno, California
Chairman, Laohaklao1954
YES MAN!! LET BUILT IT FOR THE SAKE OF OUR BELOVED COUNTRY!! WE LOVE LAOS FOREVER. MAKE US EVEN MORE PROUDLY TO BE KHON LAO DESPITE WE'RE NOT LIVING INSIDE LAOS!!! FROM. WE, LAO NORK U.K.

Laos has no choice but to give in to the pressure or will have to face grave consequences. Isolation that is. Can Laos cope with neighbouring countries if most of them would start being unfriendly to her ?

Money or friendship ? Take your pick.

Date: Dec 9, 2011

Hi, I'm Hu Jintao and I'm a President of China. In the past decade I've order my Government to Built 8 Major Dams block the Main-Mekong River flow. How come you stupid people Thais, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia and Burma didn't come out to protested me in the past. So what the hell have happening to you stupid people like you guys ? Why now ? you stupid people had struggle to put the food on the table everyday But keep talking about environment ? What a jok ? all you stupid people believe Whatever the white western mans tell you to do ? Didn't you stupid people knew that they the once that polluted the planet with greenhouse gas and carbon dioxide ? So please, your people still starving and hurry up get your economic level up to them..... then you all stupid people can talk about F'king environment like White man.....

Date: Dec 9, 2011

Anonymous wrote:
Hi, I'm Hu Jintao and I'm a President of China. In the past decade I've order my Government to Built 8 Major Dams block the Main-Mekong River flow. How come you stupid people Thais, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia and Burma didn't come out to protested me in the past. So what the hell have happening to you stupid people like you guys ? Why now ? you stupid people had struggle to put the food on the table everyday But keep talking about environment ? What a jok ? all you stupid people believe Whatever the white western mans tell you to do ? Didn't you stupid people knew that they the once that polluted the planet with greenhouse gas and carbon dioxide ? So please, your people still starving and hurry up get your economic level up to them..... then you all stupid people can talk about F'king environment like White man.....

WE LOVE HU JINTAO,PEKING DUCK AND YOUR CLEVER COMMENT!!!

Date: Dec 9, 2011

Anonymous wrote:
I am 100% for this project.
Vietnam and Cambodia, they simply are jealous (ອິດສາ).

I totally agree. So, let's keep going Mekong dam. I remember that Namtheun two spent almost more than 10 years and also more milluion US dollar for info dissemination and finally it perfecvtly worked. Last year I saw the Dam layout. The dam provides Navigation on the left and the dam will not block the whole river. So, I think it may not cause so badly serious impact on environment.

nukmaiaok · Senior Member

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nukmaiaok · Senior Member

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Date: Dec 10, 2011

I like the comment of Mr. TaoJin or JinTao ((bravo mr. ຈີນແດງ President.)

To LPDR: Just ignore the critics and politely tell them that our country does not have major industry(except a couple of copper and gold mines)..and badly need to build dams and hopefully one day to become the "BATTERY" of SEAsia.

To: International Rivers: I know that's your job to doing nothing (but sitting in comfortable chair in USA)and oppose every dam's construction around the world. In this particular case, you need to take your hands off,off and off and leave Laos alone.

Date: Dec 10, 2011

ຕອນຈີນຈະສ້າງເຂື່ອນກໍ່ມີແຕ່ໄທຄັດຄ້ານ ສ່ວນພະມ້າ ລາວ ວຽດ
ແລະຂະເມນຍົກມືຊົມເຊີຍ, ບາດຕອນລາວຈະສ້າງ ວຽດ ແລະ
ຂະເມນພັດຍົກມືຄັດຄ້ານ. ຖ້າມີແຕ່ຂະເມນຄັດຄ້ານ ເຂື່ອນໄຊຍະບຸລີອາດຈະເປັນຮູບເປັນຮ່າງຂຶ້ນມາແລ້ວ ຄົງຈະບໍ່ຕ້ອງໄດ້ຕໍ່ເວລາສຶກສາຜົນກະທົບແບບນີ້ດອກ. ຂ້ອຍກໍ່ບໍ່ເຂົ້າໃຈ ເວລາໄມ້ໜີບມືພັດຮ້ອງຫາວົງສາຄະນະຍາດສາກົນໃຫ້ການຊ່ອຍເຫຼືດ ບາດເຂົາຕ້ອງຕິແດ່ໜ້ອຍນຶ່ງ ພັດວ່າ leave me alone !

Date: Dec 10, 2011

Your argument does not hold a water. In other words, it is political jargon and membo-jumbo statement. Can you come up with a better idea than that? Just being a membership of Mekong countries, Laos can't build a dam because most members of the Mekong countries do not give a green light.

Ha!!! Thus, Laos have to yield her sovereignty to Vietnam, Thailand, and Cambodia when these countries said "no".

Common mother Teresa!!! Leave Laos alone. These is a trade off between full stomach and friendship. Legally speaking, this ongoing battle is between environmentalist VS. economic development.

What Lao people should choose?

The logical and ethical answer would be:

a). Full stomach.

Who would win?

a). Economic development

►Those Laotians, who want to watch bird, frog or panoramic view of a beautiful landscape , should migrate to Vietnam, Thailand, or even to Cambodia.

Good luck baby.(Mr. environmentalist)

☼ I suggest the writer here to read many propositions in California;

therefore, he would have an important insight about this issue.

Hakpeng Der, Laohaklao1954

Date: Dec 10, 2011

Use Calculus: Prersent Value to find out the benefit-cost of this project.

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You do not have to be a rocket scientist to be able to find out the

benefit-cost analysis. I hope reader understand what I just said.

☼ Assuming n= 100 year, the life of a dam,

☼ and I= 8.00 average yield rate of this investment

☼ assuming the project cost $1 000 000 000 dollars.

The rule of thumb is telling us that over the life of this dam

►the benefit would be outweighed the cost by far.

→Thus, the project should be undertaken ASAP.

→This is a very good investment.

→Why foreigners are object to this project. This is what Laos does the best.

☼If we do not do what we do the best, we are VIOLATING the law of comparative advantage.

Lao dispora in America....Laohaklao1954

Date: Dec 10, 2011

So far, not a single word, not a single statement came out from the mouths of LPDR President or Prime Minister ????

sopheaktr · Newbie

Good luck LAOS! biggrin

Date: Dec 10, 2011

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I am 100% for this project.
Vietnam and Cambodia, they simply are jealous (ອິດສາ).
I totally agree. So, let's keep going Mekong dam. I remember that Namtheun two spent almost more than 10 years and also more milluion US dollar for info dissemination and finally it perfecvtly worked. Last year I saw the Dam layout. The dam provides Navigation on the left and the dam will not block the whole river. So, I think it may not cause so badly serious impact on environment.

The reason why Vietnam so against this DAM is because they're going to compete with Thailand for Rice Exporting to other part of the world. So they need the water badly to grow rice badly.

Date: Dec 12, 2011

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I am 100% for this project.
Vietnam and Cambodia, they simply are jealous (ອິດສາ).
I totally agree. So, let's keep going Mekong dam. I remember that Namtheun two spent almost more than 10 years and also more milluion US dollar for info dissemination and finally it perfecvtly worked. Last year I saw the Dam layout. The dam provides Navigation on the left and the dam will not block the whole river. So, I think it may not cause so badly serious impact on environment.
The reason why Vietnam so against this DAM is because they're going to compete with Thailand for Rice Exporting to other part of the world. So they need the water badly to grow rice badly.

Laos and Thailand get most of the benefits while Vietnam and Cambodia are clearly the losers from this project. This is a complex issue, more details have to be worked out to satisfy all of the countries involved.

Vietnam rice export annually was worth between $2 - &3 Billions (

http://vietfood.org.vn/en/default.aspx?c=108 )

and Cambodians receive 75% of their protein consumption from freshwater fishes - value unknown but obviously a huge number. If Laos and Thailand want to benefit themselves by going ahead with this dam building without taking into consideration the potential losses of their 2 neighbours then who knows what those 2 countries (Viet & Cambodia) will do to protect their own interests. I can only foresee conflicts of all kinds to happen to Laos, whether political or military, peace and stability will also be gone. So, is Laos ready to pay the price ?

Date: Dec 12, 2011

☼Despite of too many people come up with too many fancy and rosy hypothetical assumptions, the basic underline assumption to run

the country is ECONOMIC INTEREST is a lifeline of our people.

☼It is OUR LIFE and also could mean our long term NATIONAL SECURITY if you look deeper down into the segments of our political institutions.

My moral argument is: if you do not protect your life and your economic well-being what else do we have to protect? Friend? Vietnam-Lao

Special Friendship Treaty? Common Jesus Christ!!! Where is Lao people first?

► Having said that,I do not want to see our leaders to do a COSTLIEST mistakes like our first two presidents. These two idiots helped Vietnam

to unite North and South while their own country broke into a million pieces.i.e. they spent their entire life just to help North Vietnam and

South Vietnam unite.

►If we believe the principle of government of the people, by the people, and for the people it is about time for our GOVERNMENT and our

LEADERS to do some thing for our people, not for Vietnamese and for

Cambodian.

Love and respect all Phenong Lao