I'm not surprised in this day and age some of the Thai citizens still believe that Laos(pheandin lanxang) still belong to them. and i don't blame them at all , beacuse their ancestors recorded over 2-3 hundred something years. and they, the thai citizens still believed for generation to generation. Do you think their historians would write and teach their students that they invaded other surrounding neighbors ? No, of course not, right. and thank god, that Laos and Thailand are not look like Palestine and Israel that fight over the Land for over something years.. Ohh, i like your Comment...
Another country is smaller than Laos and its population is about same as laos. That country used took control 6 Arab countries and used only 6 days of war. I don't think any country in the world can't do like this country, even USA. This country is right hand of US.
I hope Laos invade Thailand like Siam did to LaneXang. Now Laos is not same last 200 years ago, we have only one single ANACHACK. We will win this war for sure. during Indichina war, I saw Thousand and thousand of Thai soldiers was killed in Laos and Vietnam.
Another country is smaller than Laos and its population is about same as laos. That country used took control 6 Arab countries and used only 6 days of war. I don't think any country in the world can't do like this country, even USA. This country is right hand of US.
Find out yourself the name of that country o.k.
Yoo, yoo hold it, Brother can't compare laos to the Jews State. never mind laos, the Rest of Southeas Asia . well i should say the Rest of Asia. accept, Japan. Why ? Because Israel have almost everything that U.S. had in term of Technology. they both so Identical. they have world class war machines, world class fighter Jets, smart people come from all over the world and especially from Eastern Europ and America , as a present day, i do believe State of Israel has a Nuclear war head. But the U.S. just turn a blind eyes on them.. well i can go on and on...but people might get sick of the war...you know..
Another country is smaller than Laos and its population is about same as laos. That country used took control 6 Arab countries and used only 6 days of war. I don't think any country in the world can't do like this country, even USA. This country is right hand of US.
Find out yourself the name of that country o.k.
Yoo, yoo hold it, Brother can't compare laos to the Jews State. never mind laos, the Rest of Southeas Asia . well i should say the Rest of Asia. accept, Japan. Why ? Because Israel have almost everything that U.S. had in term of Technology. they both so Identical. they have world class war machines, world class fighter Jets, smart people come from all over the world and especially from Eastern Europ and America , as a present day, i do believe State of Israel has a Nuclear war head. But the U.S. just turn a blind eyes on them.. well i can go on and on...but people might get sick of the war...you know..
I'm not surprised in this day and age some of the Thai citizens still believe that Laos(pheandin lanxang) still belong to them. and i don't blame them at all , beacuse their ancestors recorded over 2-3 hundred something years. and they, the thai citizens still believed for generation to generation. Do you think their historians would write and teach their students that they invaded other surrounding neighbors ? No, of course not, right. and thank god, that Laos and Thailand are not look like Palestine and Israel that fight over the Land for over something years.. Ohh, i like your Comment...
Yes, in Thai academic context always say that Laos used to be a part of Siam (Thailand) and was taken away by France...But in Lao context, we consider Laos achieved from being Siam colonial. Other words, we kicked Siam away from our Land (only left-side of Mekong River). This fact some foreigners are confused, but for us is easy to understand because Siam people (people from Bangkok), keep calling Isaan peoples as Lao or call them ‘Ai Lao’ what is that means?
However, Lanxang Kingdom, we are so lucky that we rescuedsome part of the Kingdom (Laos/Lao PDR) from under control of Siam. Whereas, Lan Kingdom (Northern-part of Thailand) didn’t make it.
In conclusion, Siam frequently makes up their history on their own context without relating to the truth. We all knew when they did that to Burma (Myanmar), a kind of intimidating their former monarchy status. As the result of that the head of country of Myanmar shut the border with Thailand (land and sea) without warning and there is not negotiation unless Thai will change the fiction textbook into the factual vision.
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Can anybody tell me how the heck Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam became a colonies to the France ?? and when did that happened ??
France seized control of most of present-day Laos from Siam in 1893 and gained the rest in 1907. The French administered the kingdom of Louangphrabang indirectly through its king, while French officials directly administered the rest of the country. They did little to develop Laos, which became the sleepy backwater of Indochina.
During World War II (1939-1945) Japan stationed troops in Indochina under an agreement with the French, who maintained their administration throughout most of the war. In the last six months of the war the Japanese seized control of Indochina and interned French officials and troops. The Japanese granted Laos nominal independence in 1945.
After Japan and its allies lost the war, a nationalist movement known as the Lao Issara (Free Laos) formed an independent government in Laos. However, France reoccupied Laos the following year, and the nationalists fled to Thailand. The French unified their Lao territories into a single country with the king of Louangphrabang, Sisavang Vong, as head of state. Under French supervision, the new government adopted a constitution and joined the French Union. In 1949 France granted Laos partial independence and extended an offer of amnesty to the nationalists in exile, most of whom returned to the country. A few dissidents under the leadership of Prince Souphanouvong, however, allied themselves with the forces of the pro-Communist Vietnamese liberation movement known as the Viet Minh, who were still fighting the French. The Lao dissidents called their movement Pathet Lao (Lao State). When Viet Minh forces invaded Laos in 1953, they handed over large areas of the country to the Pathet Lao. France accorded Laos full independence in 1953 as a constitutional monarchy, the Kingdom of Laos. Delegates to the 1954 Geneva Conference, who were negotiating France’s withdrawal from Indochina at the end of the First Indochina War (1946-1954), endorsed the country’s independent status.
Thanks for the Information Sir/Mam. as i' ve read the details upthere, our country really a backward country sine the Thirties something. it' didn't start when PDR take over the country at all.
I don't know exaclty how France colonized Vietnam and Cambodia... i know a little bit more about Laos
At this time, Laos was "weak" because divided into 3 kingdoms.
All neightbours were very interested about Laos : Thai wanted to enhanced their territory and had begun to invade Laos. French wanted to secure their vietnam frontier, and some chinese thieves regulary attacked lao people from the north.
Both chinese and thai (siamese) people treated lao people very rudly
A french guy called Auguste Pavie went to Laos to explore the land from Vietnam and Cambodia, serving french administration.
This guy was particulary friendly and interested in lao culture, that's why he could gain the "sympathy" (hearts) of many lao people
When he arrived in Luang prabang, the chinese attacked the city at the same time, and August Pavie had the opportunity to save the life of the king of luang prabang
At the same time, Pavie proposed to place the lao kingdom under "french protection", what the king accepted. So France did what they could to make the siamese go back home (diplomatic + military blocus of Bangkok harbour). They also secured the north from chinese attacks. Most of Laos became french, but a part (Issan, oposite mekong) remained Thai...
If french didn't came, Laos would probably be today just one more province of Thailand. I think that, precisely at this time, accepting french "domination" was the less bad option for Laos.
Anyway, as said above, french were clearly not good "long term" administrators for Laos. French were interested in Laos just to secure their vietnamese border. So they did very little to develop the landlocked country. And all french were probably not as friendly and respectfull as Auguste Pavie. Moreover, french asked vietnamese people to manage the country (work for administrations..), what lao people disliked a lot (i can undersand).... So... after WWII, when France was so weak, it was time for Laos to retreive independancy. ;)
-- Edited by paris_vientiane on Tuesday 30th of March 2010 02:10:43 PM
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Anonymous wrote:
Can anybody tell me how the heck Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam became a colonies to the France ?? and when did that happened ??
France seized control of most of present-day Laos from Siam in 1893 and gained the rest in 1907. The French administered the kingdom of Louangphrabang indirectly through its king, while French officials directly administered the rest of the country. They did little to develop Laos, which became the sleepy backwater of Indochina.
During World War II (1939-1945) Japan stationed troops in Indochina under an agreement with the French, who maintained their administration throughout most of the war. In the last six months of the war the Japanese seized control of Indochina and interned French officials and troops. The Japanese granted Laos nominal independence in 1945.
After Japan and its allies lost the war, a nationalist movement known as the Lao Issara (Free Laos) formed an independent government in Laos. However, France reoccupied Laos the following year, and the nationalists fled to Thailand. The French unified their Lao territories into a single country with the king of Louangphrabang, Sisavang Vong, as head of state. Under French supervision, the new government adopted a constitution and joined the French Union. In 1949 France granted Laos partial independence and extended an offer of amnesty to the nationalists in exile, most of whom returned to the country. A few dissidents under the leadership of Prince Souphanouvong, however, allied themselves with the forces of the pro-Communist Vietnamese liberation movement known as the Viet Minh, who were still fighting the French. The Lao dissidents called their movement Pathet Lao (Lao State). When Viet Minh forces invaded Laos in 1953, they handed over large areas of the country to the Pathet Lao. France accorded Laos full independence in 1953 as a constitutional monarchy, the Kingdom of Laos. Delegates to the 1954 Geneva Conference, who were negotiating France’s withdrawal from Indochina at the end of the First Indochina War (1946-1954), endorsed the country’s independent status.
Thanks for the Information Sir/Mam. as i' ve read the details upthere, our country really a backward country sine the Thirties something. it' didn't start when PDR take over the country at all.
I don't know exaclty how France colonized Vietnam and Cambodia... i know a little bit more about Laos
At this time, Laos was "weak" because divided into 3 kingdoms.
All neightbours were very interested about Laos : Thai wanted to enhanced their territory and had begun to invade Laos. French wanted to secure their vietnam frontier, and some chinese thieves regulary attacked lao people from the north.
Both chinese and thai (siamese) people treated lao people very rudly
A french guy called Auguste Pavie went to Laos to explore the land from Vietnam and Cambodia, serving french administration.
This guy was particulary friendly and interested in lao culture, that's why he could gain the "sympathy" (hearts) of many lao people
When he arrived in Luang prabang, the chinese attacked the city at the same time, and August Pavie had the opportunity to save the life of the king of luang prabang
At the same time, Pavie proposed to place the lao kingdom under "french protection", what the king accepted. So France did what they could to make the siamese go back home (diplomatic + military blocus of Bangkok harbour). They also secured the north from chinese attacks. Most of Laos became french, but a part (Issan, oposite mekong) remained Thai...
If french didn't came, Laos would probably be today just one more province of Thailand. I think that, precisely at this time, accepting french "domination" was the less bad option for Laos.
Anyway, as said above, french were clearly not good "long term" administrators for Laos. French were interested in Laos just to secure their vietnamese border. So they did very little to develop the landlocked country. And all french were probably not as friendly and respectfull as Auguste Pavie. Moreover, french asked vietnamese people to manage the country (work for administrations..), what lao people disliked a lot (i can undersand).... So... after WWII, when France was so weak, it was time for Laos to retreive independancy. ;)
-- Edited by paris_vientiane on Tuesday 30th of March 2010 02:10:43 PM
Another country is smaller than Laos and its population is about same as laos. That country used took control 6 Arab countries and used only 6 days of war. I don't think any country in the world can't do like this country, even USA. This country is right hand of US.
Find out yourself the name of that country o.k.
If Laos were to recieved in the form of aid worth over 2billion US every year, plus other protections just like Israel, I am sure Laos would have been a different country(no pun intended) by now.
England asked United States to push France to give Esan and Lao Lane Na [ North of Thailand today ] to Thailand. If we want to blame just blame England and United States.
England planed to accupy Thailand and they need Esan and north west of Laos [ Lao Lane Na ] so bad, but they droped their plans to take over India and Burma instead. Thailand got lucky not to be England colonize. England took control Thailand over 52 years ( 1893-1945 ) but not announcing to the world that thailand is one of England colonize country.
I hope Laos invade Thailand like Siam did to LaneXang. Now Laos is not same last 200 years ago, we have only one single ANACHACK. We will win this war for sure. during Indichina war, I saw Thousand and thousand of Thai soldiers was killed in Laos and Vietnam.
I hope Laos invade Thailand like Siam did to LaneXang. Now Laos is not same last 200 years ago, we have only one single ANACHACK. We will win this war for sure. during Indichina war, I saw Thousand and thousand of Thai soldiers was killed in Laos and Vietnam.
Win by what?
How many Laos have tank?
How many aircraft,Fighter?
How much Laos defence budget?
Did Neo Lao Hack sad and N. Vietnam have more tanks aircraft fighters and budgets than the US during Indochina war? Why we won that war? Take not more than 3 months to defeat Thailand if we want to.
I hope Laos invade Thailand like Siam did to LaneXang. Now Laos is not same last 200 years ago, we have only one single ANACHACK. We will win this war for sure. during Indichina war, I saw Thousand and thousand of Thai soldiers was killed in Laos and Vietnam.
Win by what?
How many Laos have tank?
How many aircraft,Fighter?
How much Laos defence budget?
Did Neo Lao Hack sad and N. Vietnam have more tanks aircraft fighters and budgets than the US during Indochina war? Why we won that war? Take not more than 3 months to defeat Thailand if we want to.
ປະເທດລາວຍັງອ້າປາກຖ້າກິນກັບສາກົນຢູ່ຈັ່ງໃດ໋ຈັ່ງກ້າອ້າປາກອວດດີໄປຕີປະເທດອື່ນ? you are so idiot funny!
I hope Laos invade Thailand like Siam did to LaneXang. Now Laos is not same last 200 years ago, we have only one single ANACHACK. We will win this war for sure. during Indichina war, I saw Thousand and thousand of Thai soldiers was killed in Laos and Vietnam.
Win by what?
How many Laos have tank?
How many aircraft,Fighter?
How much Laos defence budget?
Did Neo Lao Hack sad and N. Vietnam have more tanks aircraft fighters and budgets than the US during Indochina war? Why we won that war? Take not more than 3 months to defeat Thailand if we want to.
ປະເທດລາວຍັງອ້າປາກຖ້າກິນກັບສາກົນຢູ່ຈັ່ງໃດ໋ຈັ່ງກ້າອ້າປາກອວດດີໄປຕີປະເທດອື່ນ? you are so idiot funny!
Yes, I am idiot funny. But, I might be better than you're shacky idiot.
I hope Laos invade Thailand like Siam did to LaneXang. Now Laos is not same last 200 years ago, we have only one single ANACHACK. We will win this war for sure. during Indichina war, I saw Thousand and thousand of Thai soldiers was killed in Laos and Vietnam.
Win by what?
How many Laos have tank?
How many aircraft,Fighter?
How much Laos defence budget?
Did Neo Lao Hack sad and N. Vietnam have more tanks aircraft fighters and budgets than the US during Indochina war? Why we won that war? Take not more than 3 months to defeat Thailand if we want to.
ປະເທດລາວຍັງອ້າປາກຖ້າກິນກັບສາກົນຢູ່ຈັ່ງໃດ໋ຈັ່ງກ້າອ້າປາກອວດດີໄປຕີປະເທດອື່ນ? you are so idiot funny!
Yes, I am idiot funny. But, I might be better than you're shacky idiot.
I hope Laos invade Thailand like Siam did to LaneXang. Now Laos is not same last 200 years ago, we have only one single ANACHACK. We will win this war for sure. during Indichina war, I saw Thousand and thousand of Thai soldiers was killed in Laos and Vietnam.
Win by what?
How many Laos have tank?
How many aircraft,Fighter?
How much Laos defence budget?
Did Neo Lao Hack sad and N. Vietnam have more tanks aircraft fighters and budgets than the US during Indochina war? Why we won that war? Take not more than 3 months to defeat Thailand if we want to.
ປະເທດລາວຍັງອ້າປາກຖ້າກິນກັບສາກົນຢູ່ຈັ່ງໃດ໋ຈັ່ງກ້າອ້າປາກອວດດີໄປຕີປະເທດອື່ນ? you are so idiot funny!
Yes, I am idiot funny. But, I might be better than you're shacky idiot.
It differently,American people Not support the war.And U.S. supports SouthVietnam to occupied area . If the Vietnamese want to occupy USA. like Japan in world war 2 ,I think Vietnam can't win.
Many countries think that the Vietnam War is the state for show weaon between USA. and Russia