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ຊະນະໄພ

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ລັດຖະບານລາວຈະຍອມຈ່າຍຄ່າໂງ່ໃຫ້ນັກຕົ້ມຕຸນໄທຈຳນວນ56ລ້ານ$ຫຼືບໍ່


ດັ່ງທີ່ທ່ານຊາບ ໜັງສືພີມ The Nation ຂອງໄທໄດ້ລົງຂ່າວກຽວຜົນການຕັດສີນຂອງສານ ໄກ່ເກ່ຍທາງທຸລະກິດສາກົນຊຶ່ງມີທີ່ຕັ້ງຢູ່ນິວຢອກ ໃຫ້ລັດຖະບານລາວຈ່າຍຄ່າເສຍຫາຍພ້ອມ ດອກເບັຍຈຳນວນ 56ລ້ານໂດລາ ໃຫ້ແກ່ ບໍລິສັດ ຫົງສາລິກໄນ້ ຈຳກັດ ທີ່ສຳປະທານຂຸດຄົ້ນ ບໍ່ຖ່ານຫີນຢູ່ເຂດເມືອງຫົງສາ, ແຂວງໄຊຍະບູລີ ແຕ່ວ່າຕາມທີ່ຮູ້ ບໍລິສັດດັ່ງກ່າວນັບຕັ້ງແຕ່ໄດ້ ຮັບສຳປະທານຈາກລັດຖະບານລາວແລ້ວແມ່ນບໍ່ໄດ້ມີການຂຸດຄົ້ນ ແລະພັດທະນາຫັຍງເລີຍເປັນ ເວລາຫຼາຍສິບປີແລ້ວເວົ້າຈັ່ງໜຶ່ງແມ່ນມາສຳປະທານເພື່ອຂາຍໂຄງການຕໍ່ຊຶ່ງເປັນວິທີຫາກີນທີ່ ນັກລົງທຶນໄທມັກເຮັດກັນເປັນປະຈຳຈົນເປັນເຫດໃຫ້ລັດຖະບານລາວໄດ້ປະກາດຍົກເລີກສັນຍາ ແລະເປີດໃຫ້ບໍລິສັດໃໝ່ເຂົ້າມາສຳປະທານແທນ ແລະບໍລິສັດດັ່ງກ່າວແມ່ນໄດ້ເລີ້ມລົງມືກໍ່ສ້າງ ໂຮງຜະລິດໄຟຟ້າໄປສ່ວນໜຶ່ງແລ້ວ ທາງບໍລິສັດຫົງສາລິກໄນ້ຈຶ່ງໄດ້ຟ້ອງຂຶ້ນສານທີ່ນິວຢອກ ແລະກໍ່ມີຄຳຕັດສີນອອກມາດັ່ງຂ້າງເທິງ.

ຕໍ່ກັບກໍລະນີດັ່ງກ່າວທາງລັດຖະບານລາວພັດງຽບເສີຍ ແລະບໍ່ໄດ້ມີການຊີ້ແຈງຕໍ່ຊາວໂລກເລີຍ ຈຶ່ງຢາກຖາມບັນດາທ່ານຜູ້ຮູ້ຊ່ວຍເອົາຂໍ້ມູນຄວາມຄືບໜ້າລົງໃຫ້ຊາບແດ່ ວ່າມັນເປັນແນວໃດແທ້ ແມ່ນກະຊວງໃດຮັບຜິດຊອບໃນການຕໍ່ສູ້ຄະດີ ຄັນວ່າໄດ້ຈ່າຍແທ້ກໍ່ເສຍດາຍເງີນຕັ້ງ 56ລ້ານ ເອົາໄປສ້າງຖະໜົນໄດ້ຫຼາຍກິໂລແມັດ ແລະຄວາມຜິດຊີ່ໂທດໃຜ ນີ້ເປັນບົດຮຽນລາຄາແພງທີ່ ຜູ້ມີອຳນາດມັກງ່າຍ ແລະເຫັນແກ່ຄ່ານາຍໜ້າເລັກໆໜ້ອຍເຊັນໂຄງການຜິດພາດເຮັດໃຫ້ປະ ເທດເສຍທັງເງີນ ແລະກຽດ ຂ້າພະເຈົ້າເຊື່ອວ່າຍັງມີອີກຫຼາຍໂຄງການຈະເປັນຄືກໍລະນີນີ້. 



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Anonymous

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RE: ລັດຖະບານລາວຈະຍອມຈ່າຍຄ່າໂງ່ໃຫ້ນັກຕົ້ມຕຸນໄທຈຳນວນ56ລ້ານ$ຫຼືບໍ່


In my openion, I think that if Thai Hongsa ignite company have broken agreement as plan, then lao government don't need to pay them because the rule is the rule in business world.  event the New York court verict in favour for Thai Hongsa ignite company which it doen't means they win their case yet.  lao government needs to show all evilences to the court that thai hongsa ignite company is breaking the promises and ignorance in dealing business and they just do monkey business with us.



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Anonymous

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ຊະນະໄພ wrote:

ດັ່ງທີ່ທ່ານຊາບ ໜັງສືພີມ The Nation ຂອງໄທໄດ້ລົງຂ່າວກຽວຜົນການຕັດສີນຂອງສານ ໄກ່ເກ່ຍທາງທຸລະກິດສາກົນຊຶ່ງມີທີ່ຕັ້ງຢູ່ນິວຢອກ ໃຫ້ລັດຖະບານລາວຈ່າຍຄ່າເສຍຫາຍພ້ອມ ດອກເບັຍຈຳນວນ 56ລ້ານໂດລາ ໃຫ້ແກ່ ບໍລິສັດ ຫົງສາລິກໄນ້ ຈຳກັດ ທີ່ສຳປະທານຂຸດຄົ້ນ ບໍ່ຖ່ານຫີນຢູ່ເຂດເມືອງຫົງສາ, ແຂວງໄຊຍະບູລີ ແຕ່ວ່າຕາມທີ່ຮູ້ ບໍລິສັດດັ່ງກ່າວນັບຕັ້ງແຕ່ໄດ້ ຮັບສຳປະທານຈາກລັດຖະບານລາວແລ້ວແມ່ນບໍ່ໄດ້ມີການຂຸດຄົ້ນ ແລະພັດທະນາຫັຍງເລີຍເປັນ ເວລາຫຼາຍສິບປີແລ້ວເວົ້າຈັ່ງໜຶ່ງແມ່ນມາສຳປະທານເພື່ອຂາຍໂຄງການຕໍ່ຊຶ່ງເປັນວິທີຫາກີນທີ່ ນັກລົງທຶນໄທມັກເຮັດກັນເປັນປະຈຳຈົນເປັນເຫດໃຫ້ລັດຖະບານລາວໄດ້ປະກາດຍົກເລີກສັນຍາ ແລະເປີດໃຫ້ບໍລິສັດໃໝ່ເຂົ້າມາສຳປະທານແທນ ແລະບໍລິສັດດັ່ງກ່າວແມ່ນໄດ້ເລີ້ມລົງມືກໍ່ສ້າງ ໂຮງຜະລິດໄຟຟ້າໄປສ່ວນໜຶ່ງແລ້ວ ທາງບໍລິສັດຫົງສາລິກໄນ້ຈຶ່ງໄດ້ຟ້ອງຂຶ້ນສານທີ່ນິວຢອກ ແລະກໍ່ມີຄຳຕັດສີນອອກມາດັ່ງຂ້າງເທິງ.

ຕໍ່ກັບກໍລະນີດັ່ງກ່າວທາງລັດຖະບານລາວພັດງຽບເສີຍ ແລະບໍ່ໄດ້ມີການຊີ້ແຈງຕໍ່ຊາວໂລກເລີຍ ຈຶ່ງຢາກຖາມບັນດາທ່ານຜູ້ຮູ້ຊ່ວຍເອົາຂໍ້ມູນຄວາມຄືບໜ້າລົງໃຫ້ຊາບແດ່ ວ່າມັນເປັນແນວໃດແທ້ ແມ່ນກະຊວງໃດຮັບຜິດຊອບໃນການຕໍ່ສູ້ຄະດີ ຄັນວ່າໄດ້ຈ່າຍແທ້ກໍ່ເສຍດາຍເງີນຕັ້ງ 56ລ້ານ ເອົາໄປສ້າງຖະໜົນໄດ້ຫຼາຍກິໂລແມັດ ແລະຄວາມຜິດຊີ່ໂທດໃຜ ນີ້ເປັນບົດຮຽນລາຄາແພງທີ່ ຜູ້ມີອຳນາດມັກງ່າຍ ແລະເຫັນແກ່ຄ່ານາຍໜ້າເລັກໆໜ້ອຍເຊັນໂຄງການຜິດພາດເຮັດໃຫ້ປະ ເທດເສຍທັງເງີນ ແລະກຽດ ຂ້າພະເຈົ້າເຊື່ອວ່າຍັງມີອີກຫຼາຍໂຄງການຈະເປັນຄືກໍລະນີນີ້. 


 My advice to Lao government is no need to pay them.

Hire the best solcitor to defend the case. Appeal the decision

and postpone  the hearing indefinitely...

Remember the French words:

"La raison du plus forte est toujours la meilleure"

In English:

"Good reason is always the best"

Take care!



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Anonymous

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Anonymous wrote:
ຊະນະໄພ wrote:
ຂ້າພະເຈົ້າເຊື່ອວ່າຍັງມີອີກຫຼາຍໂຄງການຈະເປັນຄືກໍລະນີນີ້. 

 My advice to Lao government is no need to pay them.

Hire the best solcitor to defend the case. Appeal the decision

and postpone  the hearing indefinitely...

Remember the French words:

"La raison du plus forte est toujours la meilleure"

In English:

"Good reason is always the best"

Take care!


 ແມ່ນລູກອີຫ່າໃດມັນຕາແຕກບໍ່??????????????????????????????

ກະທູ ເພື່ອພາສາລາວ ມັນກະຍັງດອດສະແດງອັງກິດ ????

ມັນເກັ່ງຫຼາຍແທ້ບໍ່?

ເຊີນໄປເກັ່ງເວທີໃໝ່ເດີ !!!!!!!!!!!

ອັນນີ້ ທາງເວັບຈັດແບ່ງໄວ້ແລ້ວ

ຄັນບໍ່ມີຟອນຫຼືແປ້ນພິມລາວ ເຮັດຕາຍຫຍັງຢູ່ ? ຂອງຫາໃສກໍໄດ້

ມັນຕັ້ງຂວງໂລກ

ຂໍດ່າແດ່ ແຮງໆໆໆໆໆໆໆ

ບໍ່ສຸພາບກັບມັນດອກ ພວກຄົນປະເພດນີ້ ມັນຍັງບໍ່ຮູ້ໃຫ້ກຽດຊາດ ພາສາຕົນເອງ

ຖ້າຢູ່ນອກຈະຢຽບໃຫ້ສໍານຶກ ອັນນີ້ບໍ່ແມ່ນເວົ້າສາມຫາວເດີ ບ່າວ!

ເພາະຊົງຄົນປະເພດນີ້ແຮງ  ໃຫ້ຂ້າມື້ລະຮ້ອຍກໍໄດ້

ຊັງຄົນຂີ້ອວດ !



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Lao Robinhood

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1. It's not the LPDR to pay. The new investors of the project are, according to an article in the new investment agreement in the Hongsa Lignite project. Still, the new investors are 2 Thai companies and a Chinese counterpart as we know. That part of the agreement states very cleary that the new investors are liable for any damages incurred from the agreement.

2. As far as I know, the former investors are currently asking the NY court to issue 5 more orders-- including one that will enforce a foreclosing procedure. If these conjunctions are granted the attourney of the other side can seize any asset of the LPDR around the globe, anything at all, including her embassy land and buildings in the DC. 

(A German company has used a similar process in dealing with the Thai government that lead to the seizing of the private jet plane of Thailands's royal crown prince at the Hambourg Airport lasty month. This could happen to Laos too.)

 

A worse scenario can be that;

3. If the case cannot be settled in the NY court the other side can start similar legal cases in trade courts in other countries in order to force the LPDR to pay for the damage -- following the USA precedence. It means that they can seize LPDR's assets in those countries, if those repective courts agree.

We should ask our government to tell us the truth --at least about what the government is doing on this issue.

(This comment was written on AUG 28, 2011.)

 



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Lao Robinhood

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Sorry pal -- My laptop will not type in Lao language. Kohr abhay der. Lap Top khoi pim pasa Lao bhor dai der.



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Anonymous

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Anonymous wrote:
ຊະນະໄພ wrote:

Please writes it cystal clear about your PASALAO because I don't clear you understand at all of this sentence= ແມ່ນລູກອີຫ່າໃດມັນຕາແຕກບໍ່??????????????????????????????

ກະທູ = what is it meaning of this word? I never see or heard in lao language.



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Anonymous

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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
ຊະນະໄພ wrote:
ຂ້າພະເຈົ້າເຊື່ອວ່າຍັງມີອີກຫຼາຍໂຄງການຈະເປັນຄືກໍລະນີນີ້. 

 My advice to Lao government is no need to pay them.

Hire the best solcitor to defend the case. Appeal the decision

and postpone  the hearing indefinitely...

Remember the French words:

"La raison du plus forte est toujours la meilleure"

In English:

"Good reason is always the best"

Take care!


 ແມ່ນລູກອີຫ່າໃດມັນຕາແຕກບໍ່??????????????????????????????

ກະທູ ເພື່ອພາສາລາວ ມັນກະຍັງດອດສະແດງອັງກິດ ????

ມັນເກັ່ງຫຼາຍແທ້ບໍ່?

ເຊີນໄປເກັ່ງເວທີໃໝ່ເດີ !!!!!!!!!!!

ອັນນີ້ ທາງເວັບຈັດແບ່ງໄວ້ແລ້ວ

ຄັນບໍ່ມີຟອນຫຼືແປ້ນພິມລາວ ເຮັດຕາຍຫຍັງຢູ່ ? ຂອງຫາໃສກໍໄດ້

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ຖ້າຢູ່ນອກຈະຢຽບໃຫ້ສໍານຶກ ອັນນີ້ບໍ່ແມ່ນເວົ້າສາມຫາວເດີ ບ່າວ!

ເພາະຊົງຄົນປະເພດນີ້ແຮງ  ໃຫ້ຂ້າມື້ລະຮ້ອຍກໍໄດ້

ຊັງຄົນຂີ້ອວດ !


 ສະຫລາດສ່ອງໃສຫລາຍຈົນໃຫ້ນັກລົງທຶນໂງ່ໆຟ້ອງຮອ້ງຕໍ່ສານໃຫ້ຈ່າຍເງິນ56ລ້ານດອນ.



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ມັນຈະບໍ່ໄດ້ຈ່າຍແຕ່ 56 ລ້ານ ດລ

ຄ່າທະນາຄວາມສອງຝ່າຍ ຄ່າທຳນຽມ ສານ ສາມສານ(ຖ້າຍັງບໍ່ຍອມອິກ)
ບວກໃຫ້ຄ່າດອກ ເບັຍ

ຈາກ56 ຈະຝັ້ງຂື້ນ100ລລ້ານ ທັນ ທີ ທັນໃດ

ທ່ານຢ່າເວົ້າງ່າຍເກິນໄປ ຢ່າແນະນຳໃຫ້ ຣັຖບານບ້ານ ຍືນໃນທ່າທີ ໃຫ້ຄຳແນະນຳຂອງທ່ານເດັດຂາດ

ຊັ້ນຊັ້ນຕົ້ນ ແລະ ສານ ທີ່ ອມຣກ ບັງຄັບໃຫ້ ຣັຖບານທ້າວໄຊສົມພອນ ທອງສີງຂ້າຈູມຈ່າຍແລ້ວ

ພວກນີ້ບໍ່ມີທາງເລືອກເດັດຂາດ

ເຫັນບໍ ຍີຣະມັນ ຍຶດຍົນເສັ້ນໂອ ກັນຫນີ້ 40ລ້ານ ເອິໂຣ

ພວກນີ້ມັນເສັຍຄ່າໂຝ່ມາຕລອດ

ປີ 1991 760ລ້ານ
ປີ 1999 300ລ້ານ
2000 ເພັຊຈາກຣາຊວົງລາວ ສາມກິ ໂລ ໂຈນສຍາມອົມໄປຫົມດແລ້ວ
ປ່າໄມ້ລາວຫົມດແລ້ວ ທະຫານແກວມາເຜົາໄປຫົມດແລ້ວ
14ເຂື່ອນ ກຳໄລຫາຍໄປໄສໃຜໆກະຮູ້

ຍັງແຕ່ຫັວໂ......ຍ ບັກຂ້າຈູມເດິ

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First of all, the fight in the court now is separated from the original arbitration ruling. Lao government lost the ruling and the judgement is final.  The current legal proceeding is brought by the lawyer representing Thai-Lao Lignite (TLL) to enforce the judgement.  Lao governmnet has to pay.  The question is does it wants to do it voluntarily or through court's order seizure of its assets.  

This court order to seize Lao government assets oversea is very hard to enforce because Lao does not have many properties outside of Laos and most, if not all of those property are falling under diplomatic immunity.  The lawyer for TLL will have to prove to the court that the property seized is not used for diplomatic purposes.  

The final and biggest question is why haven't the Lao government cleared this issue with TLL right after the arbitration ruling?  They should have negotiated with the company to reduce the payment instead of letting the case runs through the judicial system of another country with the accumulation of lawyers fee and interest on the original sum awarded.  This shows that the Lao government is either irresponsible or does not understand international laws governing trade and investment.  Who would want to invest in Laos if government acts in this manner?  How will this looks to the WTO members when they see Laos ignores international agreements while Laos is applying to become WTO member?



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ເສັຽດາຽຈິງຯ

ເອົາ 56ລ້ານ$ ມາພັດທະນາ ໂຮງໝໍ, ໂຮງຮຽນ ຫລື ຂຸດນໍ້າ

ບາດານ ໃນຊົນນະບົດ ພໍ່ແມ່ ນ້າອາ ລຸງປ້າ ຈະຊື່ນໃຈຢ່າງ

ລົ້ນເຫລືອ.



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ໄດ້ຍິນຂ່າວວ່າຜູ້ນຳລາວ (ເກົ່າແລະໃໝ່ຕອນເປັນຄອມມູ)ມີເງິນຝາກໄວ້ທະນາຄານສະວິສ...ຖ້າແມ່ນແທ້ ກະເອົາເງິນຈຳນວນນີ້ ໄປຈ່າຍເພີ່ນສາ...



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Anonymous wrote:

First of all, the fight in the court now is separated from the original arbitration ruling. Lao government lost the ruling and the judgement is final.  The current legal proceeding is brought by the lawyer representing Thai-Lao Lignite (TLL) to enforce the judgement.  Lao governmnet has to pay.  The question is does it wants to do it voluntarily or through court's order seizure of its assets.  

This court order to seize Lao government assets oversea is very hard to enforce because Lao does not have many properties outside of Laos and most, if not all of those property are falling under diplomatic immunity.  The lawyer for TLL will have to prove to the court that the property seized is not used for diplomatic purposes.  

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The final and biggest question is why haven't the Lao government cleared this issue with TLL right after the arbitration ruling?  They should have negotiated with the company to reduce the payment instead of letting the case runs through the judicial system of another country with the accumulation of lawyers fee and interest on the original sum awarded.  This shows that the Lao government is either irresponsible or does not understand international laws governing trade and investment.  Who would want to invest in Laos if government acts in this manner?  How will this looks to the WTO members when they see Laos ignores international agreements while Laos is applying to become WTO member?


I totally agree with your comment, why Lao Government still keep quiet without fight it back.

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ແກ້ງບັກສຸນທະລາ ມັນຕຣີວົງບໍ່ ທີ່ຂຽນລົງນີ້ ຫາ!!!!!



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ລັຖບານລາວບໍ່ມີເຫດຜົນໃດໆທີ່ຈະເວົ້າ

ໃຫ້ພວກທ່ານຟັງ ບໍລິສັດໄທທີ່ກ່າວມານັ້ນ

ໃດ້ປະຕິບັດສັນຍາແລ້ວບໍ ເອົາເອກະສານ

ໃສ່ກະເປົາແລ້ວເລາະຂາຽໂຄງການຕັ້ງຫລາຽ

ປີ ບໍ່ເຣັດຫຍັງ ມັນຄົງຈະງ່າຽໂພດຕີບໍ,

ມັນຕ່າງກັນກັບເຍັຽລະມັນຟ້ອງໄທ,

ຖ້າເຣົາບໍ່ຣູ້ຄັກແລ້ວຍໍ່ຄວນວິຈານທາງລົບ,

ຈະຍົກຕົວຢ່າງໃຫ້ຟັງ ມີບໍລິສັດຂອງໄທ

ມາເຊັນສັນຍາ ສ້າງຕາຟັງເຈື່ອນແຖວປາກ

ປາສັກລົງມາ ບ່ອນປະຈຸບັນເພີ່ນສ້າງເດີ່ນ

ບ່ອນນັ່ງເບີ່ງຊ່ວງເຣືອທ່ານວັດຈັນ ໄດ້ຫນັງ

ສືແລ້ວໄປເລາະຂາຽໂຂງການຕັ້ງຫລາຽປີ,

ລັຖບານກໍ່ຍົກໂຂງການດັ່ງກ່າວໃຫ້ ສ.ເກົາຫລີ

ດຽວນີ້ໂຂງການກໍ່ເນີນໄປໃກ້ຈະແລ້ວ, ຖ້າ ຜຂ

ເວົ້າຜິດກໍ່ຂໍອະໃພທ່ານທີ່ຣູ້ຫລາຽກ່ວານີ້ເດີ



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Well, the link is a document that records the arbitration ruling between TLL and the Government of Laos (GOL).  

http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/district-of-columbia/dcdce/1:2011mc00313/148398/1/3.pdf

What is interesting, is the collusion between officials in the  Lao Government of Banpu to oust TLL from the Hongsa Lignite Project.  Banpu is even willing to cover all legal cost if TLL persues the dispute through the legal process.  This is evidence in paragraph 31.

Lao Government should request it partner (Banpu) to pay TLL all the costs associate with this case since the company has made that commitment.  The longer this case drags on, the more it damages Laos image to potential investors around the world.  The idea of gaining WTO membership is to attract world-wide investors rather than relying on investors from China, Vietnam and Thailand.  Foreign direct investment from many sources is what Laos needs to counter the regional investors who tend to demand influence and favor from government official thus threatening Lao independence and governance transparency.  



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